I thought the wirrin were pretty menacing when they were fully developed, especially the way they sort of bounced around


The first time I watched it I kept waiting for someone to make a pun: "Oh no, wirrin trouble!"

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The first time I watched it I kept waiting for someone to make a pun: "Oh no, wirrin trouble!"

Hahahaahaha.


Man, I know a lot of people LOVE Doctor Who. So I tried it.
(I saw the ones with David Tennant and Billie Piper. And the Water Mars one.)
I watched about six episodes in one day. It started out nice, but by hour four it was just bad.

Doctor,
Was I simply suffering from Doctor-Who-Overload?

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The first time I watched it I kept waiting for someone to make a pun: "Oh no, wirrin trouble!"

Hahahaahaha.


Man, I know a lot of people LOVE Doctor Who. So I tried it.
(I saw the ones with David Tennant and Billie Piper. And the Water Mars one.)
I watched about six episodes in one day. It started out nice, but by hour four it was just bad.

Doctor,
Was I simply suffering from Doctor-Who-Overload?

Yeah, probably an overload. Or you felt sick from too much Russell T Davies. By the time Moffat starts writing a few eps, it gets better. Also, it takes a little while to get used to the DW sensibility in my mind. It's so campy and weird. I definitely didn't like it the first time I saw it. Season 3 is much better than Season 2 IMO. Also, too much Rose isn't good for anyone. (I'm sorry in advance Rose lovers). The only thing I liked about Rose was that she seemed to have the most chemistry with the Doctor even though I don't think Piper is a very good actress. I dunno something about her and DT adds up to a lot of fun. It's like they're best friends.
ETA: Also regarding science fiction v.s. not science fiction, I'm unsure. I guess the definition of sci-fi is that it takes a scientific basis and extrapolates it into "what if?" territory. So stuff like Madeline E'engle's faradolae are sci-fi but Doctor Who is not b.c. it's just too far away from any real scientific principles. But I dunno, it's always seemed kinda murky territory to me.



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I'm also one of those strange ones that loves nu-who, but not so much old-who. my favourite eps are Blink, Girl in the Fireplace and Midnight (definitely watch these if you're still unsure whether you like Who). Liking the latest series a lot. although i dont think any of the eps are as good as Moffat's past glories so far.

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Oh, also, if you're an Eccleston fan I can't recommend The Second Coming highly enough. It was written by RTD and has a number of people he'd end up working with in Doctor Who. Eccleston plays an everyday normal guy who ends up realizing he's the second coming of Christ, and it's pretty great.

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Oh, also, if you're an Eccleston fan I can't recommend The Second Coming highly enough. It was written by RTD and has a number of people he'd end up working with in Doctor Who. Eccleston plays an everyday normal guy who ends up realizing he's the second coming of Christ, and it's pretty great.

...Interesting...From the description I wouldn't think this would be good but Eccleston is pretty good. RTD writing about Christ. Hmmm, I feel like it would either work or crash and burn. He did write a few eps that really surprised me though and that I liked. Sorry for the snark, RTD fans. Zopilote, I don't think it's that weird you don't like old Who. It takes a hell of a lot of patience sometimes. The acting is pretty horrendous. If you think it's not so great now you should have seen it then (I'm refering to the first season). The way I see it is nu-Who is pretty campy and weird but old-Who is just REALLY out there. Although, I'm starting to like it. It got better after the first few episodes.

Speaking of "The Second Coming", this is one of the first things that popped up when I searched:
Nike's The Second Coming?
Dear Jesus! Using religion to sell shoes. Now that's gone just a bit too far if you ask me.

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...Blink, Girl in the Fireplace and Midnight...

Midnight is one of my absolute favorite episodes of Who ever

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Downloading the entire William Hartnell collection. The file is 32 gigs so it will take a couple weeks.

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My favourite season is 4... I love Donna. I'm really enjoying this season, but the writing's been a bit uneven. Hopefully they'll be settled into it more next season. Also (SPOILER: ) RORY!!!!!!!

@ dp re: your spoiler

I can only imagine they will resolve that somehow since it had to do with that whole crack in the universe thing...

also re: donna
I also really liked her, among my favorite companions I think.

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Never got into dat show know wat im sayin? But might give it a go cuz It might be good know wat im sayin?

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It might be good know wat im sayin?

is this what you might be saying?

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Part of me believes that John Barrowman and I could be BFFs.

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I'm no physician, but there appears to be a dagger in my chest.

does he like hugh jackman?

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There's more to me than Hugh Jackman love, Matt!

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Downloading the entire William Hartnell collection. The file is 32 gigs so it will take a couple weeks.

LOL fever Yeah, I think there are two camps with where to start with DW. Some say start with Hartnell because then you understand the basis of the show. But I'm of the second camp. I think it's better to start with the first new season. The show's just easier to access that way. I actually found I have more patience with the older shows after I'd seen the new because so many of the characters and figures I knew and loved were in them. Otherwise, I don't think I would have been patient enough for them. Good luck getting into Who. Once you're in, it's pretty addictive.

The only old stuff that I think would be really helpful to watch before starting with the new series would be, oh, Troughton's last serial, The War Games, Pertwee's second season which introduces the Master, and Genesis of the Daleks, The Deadly Assassin and The Invisible Enemy* from Tom Baker's run. Maaaaybe Logopolis/Castrovalva just so you get some more Master action and a taste of Peter Davison (a big influence on Tennant's portrayal). Wouldn't hurt to throw in The Invasion or another Cybermen serial. But I definitely wouldn't say any of these are essential to getting into it, the new series is extremely forgiving to new viewers. They'd add a nice flavor and give a pretty thorough grounding in the universe, though.

*The Invisible Enemy is good, but definitely not essential - I only include it because some exposure to K-9 will make you smile instead of cringe (as I've seen other people do) when he makes a guest appearance, and damnit, K-9 should make you smile!



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while i enjoy both old and new who, i will point out the vast difference between a series which functioned as such (to wit: a serial, and including the trademark of such a format: the cliffhanger), which took varying amounts of time to tell varying stories, many of which directly continued into one another, and a series that is merely a collection of one-hour one-offs. i think the great building subtlety of the decades of original who is lost amidst the bright shininess of nuwho, and is only used as fodder to bring gravitas to quick-fix scenarios. not to be too much of an old fuddy-duddy (for the umpteenth time) but it seems that the new series is more popular with much younger viewers unaccustomed to a more subtle pace, whereas the die-hard adherents of oldwho were more likely to have grown up watching not only those serials, but also "slow" tv shows like star trek (the original one), and whatnot (i will confess to olddudeitude when i acknowledge my shock that star trek tng is older than many people on these boards).

just a point on production:
the original dr who programs were never given preferntial treatment by the bbc, even though they quickly became insanely popular; their budget was never more than other bbc programs in that time format, which explains a lot of the "shoddy" props/costumes/sets. also, special effects for the show were largely produced as filming occurred, with almost no post-production available to the directors. i think what carried those admittedly weak effects was the quality of the storylines and the likeability and "realness" of the characters, which allowed for the ready suspension of the audience's disbelief. i see the effects in (particularily the tennant era) newer episodes, and because they want to make it so slick, it looks even more markedly fakey.

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i see the effects in (particularily the tennant era) newer episodes, and because they want to make it so slick, it looks even more markedly fakey.

Yes, yes, yes. I was watching The Vampires of Venice last night, just thinking how utterly appalling all the effects were. I LIKE them old and shoddy, because apart from being totally endearing, the camera was all pretty crappy too. Now that the camerawork's all fancy shmancy and expensive, anything that doesn't match up with that (like the effects) looks cheap as hell. Both types are laughable, but I find it's more of an embarrassed laughter now...

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i will confess to olddudeitude when i acknowledge my shock that star trek tmg is older than many people on these boards

i thought this was a funny and fitting typo

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DAMMIT TAYLOR

you're right.

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I feel like the only person in existence who does not venerate or wish to copulate with Amy Pond. In fact, the only newer assistant I've actually liked was Donna Noble.

Edit to clear up some sketchy ambiguity.

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amy < sarah jane

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@Blackliner. Yeah, I really hear you on the cliff hangers. That's one thing I really don't like about the new series. Everything does NOT have to be fixed up in an hour. I definitely agree that it improves the story to have it arc more (Although I'm pretty sure most people would agree with that).