May 01, 2011 07:28PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
reading "post office" and really, really liking it. "women" up next.



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May 01, 2011 09:02PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
Just read "Perfect Day for Bananafish" the first in a short stories book I just started by JD Salinger. Jamison, you are among the best songwriters, period.
May 01, 2011 10:29PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
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mike5998
reading "post office" and really, really liking it. "women" up next.

this makes me very happy.



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May 02, 2011 12:43PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
i'm afraid to check out his poetry though. i don't really like reading poetry too much, except for haikus. and even then, it's hit and miss.



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May 02, 2011 01:23PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
"just a touch of mox"

well, I don't know, Bernie, but I
think I'll try the 6 ball in the side pocket.

life should be interesting
even if we have to make it so.

-Charles Bukowski, 12-24-78

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May 02, 2011 02:01PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
damn. i might have to read some. does he have a huge poetry omnibus you can point me to? the complete bukowski poems, or something of the like you or anyone can point me to?

gracias!



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May 02, 2011 02:29PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
I bought two books yesterday as birthday presents to myself, and I'm reading one of them as I type this.

Inventory by The Writers of The AV Club (reading this right now -- very highly recommended to everyone who loves and hates pop culture as much as I do)
Obscene, Indecent, Immoral, and Offensive: 100+ Years of Censored, Banned, and Controversial Films by Stephen Tropiano



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May 02, 2011 02:44PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
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mike5998
damn. i might have to read some. does he have a huge poetry omnibus you can point me to? the complete bukowski poems, or something of the like you or anyone can point me to?

gracias!

i would start here. [www.bukowski.net]

it's free and you can see and read the manuscripts that he actually typed, while drunk, stoned, smoking, horny and dying.



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May 02, 2011 02:48PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
perfect, will jump in after women.



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May 02, 2011 02:50PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
you will always find women when you jump in to bukowski's writings. (just kidding, i know what you meant).



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May 02, 2011 03:14PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
something i said in another thread that was possibly influenced by bukowski

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mike5998
women make everything more difficult.
without women there would be no men.
you do the math.



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May 02, 2011 03:41PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
I have The Last Night of the Earth Poems and Sifting Through the Madness for the Word, the Line, the Way. I love them both dearly.

Speaking of women in Bukowski poems, here are examples of that from those two books:

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The Last Night of the Earth Poems

hunk of rock

Nina was the hardest of them
all,
the worst woman I had known
up to that moment
and I was sitting in front of
my secondhand black and white
tv
watching the news
when I heard a suspicious
sound in the kitchen
and I ran out there
and saw her with
a full bottle of whiskey -
a 5th -
and she had it and
was headed for the back porch
door
but I caught her and
grabbed the bottle.
"give me that bottle, you
fucking whore!"
and we wrestled for the
bottle
and let me tell you
she gave me a good fight
for it
but
I got it away from her
and I told her to
get her ass out of
there.
she lived in the same place
in the back
upstairs.

I locked the door
took the bottle and a
glass
went out to the couch
sat down and
opened the bottle and
poured myself a good
one.

I shut off the tv and
sat there
thinking about what a
hard number
Nina was.
I came up with
at least
a dozen lousy things
she had done
to me.

what a whore.
what a hunk of rock.

I sat there drinking
the whiskey
and wondering
what I was going
with Nina.

then there was a
knock on the
door.
it was Nina's friend,
Helga.

"where's Nina?"
she asked.

"she tried to steal
my whiskey, I
ran her ass
out of here."

"she said to meet
her here."

"what for?"

"she said me and her
were going to do it
in front of you
for $50."

"$25."

"she said $50."

"well, she's not
here...want a
drink?"

"sure..."

I got Helga a glass
poured her a
whiskey.
she took a
hit.

"maybe," she said,
"I ought to go get
Nina."

"I don't want to see
her."

"why not?"

"she's a whore."

Helga finished her
drink and I poured
her another.

she took a
hit.

"Benny calls me a
whore, I'm no
whore."

Benny was the guy
she was shacked
with.

"I know you're no
whore, Helga."

"thanks. Ain't ya got no
music?"

"just the radio..."

she saw it
got up
turned it
on.
some music came
blaring out.

Helga began to
dance
holding her whiskey
glass in one
hand.
she wasn't a good
dancer
she looked
ridiculous.

she stopped
drained her drink
rolled her glass along the
rug
then she ran toward
me
dropped to her knees
unzipped me
and then
she was down
there
doing tricks.

I drained my
drink
poured another.

she was
good.
she had a college
degree
some place back
East.

"get it, Helga, get
it!"

there was a loud
knock
on the front
door.

"HANK, IS HELGA
THERE?"

"WHO?"

"HELGA!"

"JUST A MINUTE!"

"THIS IS NINA, I WAS
SUPPOSED TO MEET
HELGA HERE, WE HAVE A
LITTLE SURPRISE FOR
YOU!"

"YOU TRIED TO STEAL
MY WHISKEY, YOU
WHORE!"

"HANK, LET ME
IN!"

"get it, Helga, get
it!"

"HANK!"

"Helga, you fucking whore...
Helga! Helga! Helga!!"

"I pulled away and
got up.

"let her in."

I went to the
bathroom.


when I came out they
were both sitting there
drinking and smoking
laughing about
something.
then they
saw me.

"50 bucks," said Nina.

"25 bucks," I said.

"we won't do it
then."

"don't then."

Nina inhaled
exhaled.
"all right, you
cheap bastard, 25
bucks!"

Nina stood up and
began taking her
clothes off.

she was the hardest
of them
all.

Helga stood up and
began taking her
clothes off.

I poured a
drink.
"sometimes I wonder
what the hell is
going on
around here," I
said.

"don't worry about
it, Daddy, just
get with it!"

"just what am I
supposed to
do?"

"just do
whatever the fuck
you feel
like doing,"
said Nina
her big ass
blazing
in the
lamplight.


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Sifting Through the Madness for the Word, the Line, the Way

extraterrestrial visitor

it was a hot afternoon in July.
her daughter was at the swimming
pool.
her son was at the roller rink.
we talked a while and then
gradually got down to it.
I was just
sliding in
when I thought I heard a
sound.
standing by the bed was this
black kid
about five years old.
he was barefoot.
"what do you want?" I
asked him.
"you got any empty bottles?"
he asked.
"no, I don't have any
empty bottles."
he left, disappointed.

"I thought the door was locked,"
she said, "that was Clovis's
little boy."
"Clovis's little boy?"
"yes."

I suppose it was.



(Please forgive my typos if there are any.)

I'd share my favorite but I can't find it. It's been a while since I've visited my Bukowski books.



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May 02, 2011 04:00PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
where ya been mountain girl?

drinkin mountain dew and listening to billy the mountain at mount rushmore?



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May 02, 2011 04:09PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
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mike5998
where ya been mountain girl?

drinkin mountain dew and listening to billy the mountain at mount rushmore?


I noticed your signature, speaking of Billy the Mountain.

I like it.



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May 02, 2011 04:57PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
it's not my favorite piece, but it's a terrific lyric.



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May 08, 2011 05:12PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
At the moment I'm reading Infinite Jest, before last week the only thing I actually knew about David Foster Wallace was that tMG had a song about him but my one hipster friend convinced me that I should really, really read it. Like peer pressure, but with reading. Which is cool.
May 08, 2011 06:18PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
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May 08, 2011 06:31PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
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Darkshines
At the moment I'm reading Infinite Jest, before last week the only thing I actually knew about David Foster Wallace was that tMG had a song about him but my one hipster friend convinced me that I should really, really read it. Like peer pressure, but with reading. Which is cool.

I hope you have more luck with it than I did, but judging by the consensus on these forums you'll cream your pants about it.



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May 09, 2011 07:52AM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
I recently read The Great Gatsby. Phenomenal book.



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May 11, 2011 07:11AM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
People here read some really good stuff.

I'm quite a fan of Bukowski though I must admit I really didn't like Women, nor was I particularly enthralled with Hollywood or Pulp. Post Office, Factotum and Ham On Rye are wonderful though.

Anyway non-fiction wise in the last few of weeks I've been reading Four Hours In My Lai by Michael Bilton and Kevin Sim and Edgelands by Paul Farley and Michael Symmons Roberts. The former is an in depth and rather harrowing study of the horrendous My Lai massacre and it's aftermath and the latter being a sort of rumination on the areas of land on the edges of Britains cities, comprising wastelands, standing water, industrial estates etc.

Fiction wise I've moved on from a Vonnegut binge to a Stephen King binge. I only started reading King last year prior to which I considered him a hack. A lot of my presummptions and presupposed criticisms still stand true but his writing is entertaining enough for me to overlook such flaws. I've also been reading the Complete Stories of Flannery O'Connor which are really fantastic, sometimes brutal and left me wondering if Raymond Carver took influence from her.

Next on my list is As I lay Dying by Faulkner. I read Light In August a few years ago and found it hard going at first but eventually grew to adore it so hopefully this one won't disappoint.
May 11, 2011 09:50AM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
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DavidD
I'm quite a fan of Bukowski though I must admit I really didn't like Women, nor was I particularly enthralled with Hollywood or Pulp. Post Office, Factotum and Ham On Rye are wonderful though.

Fiction wise I've moved on from a Vonnegut binge to a Stephen King binge.

reserving judgement on buk's women until i finish the last few pages. i liked post office. it was entertaining and i laughed out loud a handful of times. then it ended. i'll probably try factotum and/or ham on rye, depending on how i feel at the end of women.

have you started king's gunslinger series? eyes of the dragon?



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May 11, 2011 10:59AM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
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mike5998

reserving judgement on buk's women until i finish the last few pages. i liked post office. it was entertaining and i laughed out loud a handful of times. then it ended. i'll probably try factotum and/or ham on rye, depending on how i feel at the end of women.

have you started king's gunslinger series? eyes of the dragon?

I've yet to read any of the gunslinger series (the dark tower books, right?) or Eyes Of The Dragon. Do you recommend them? My experience with King so far has consisted of It, Pet Sematary, Different Seasons, most of Skeleton Crew, Misery and I'm currently about a 5th of the way into The Shinning. little more than a dent in his oeuvre I guess.

I tend to think that Bukowski's work dealing with the period of his life after he started to gain recognition and success in the literary world doesn't hold a candle to the stuff based on his earlier life. I guess I'm just a sucker for down and out, hopeless drunkards. As opposed to sort-of-successful, a-little-less-hopeless drunkards.

I'd also recommend checking out some of his short stories. They're a little hit and miss but some of them are hilarious and some just plain brilliant. Animal Crackers In My Soup is a favourite of mine.
May 11, 2011 11:28AM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
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DavidD
I've yet to read any of the gunslinger series (the dark tower books, right?) or Eyes Of The Dragon. Do you recommend them?

I'd also recommend checking out some of his short stories. They're a little hit and miss but some of them are hilarious and some just plain brilliant. Animal Crackers In My Soup is a favourite of mine.

start with eyes of the dragon. it's a good story, and it's very strange and non-kingy. it will ease you into the first gunslinger book nicely. i highly recommend the gunslinger series. i really liked it.

what are the titles of buk's short story collections? i like short stories.



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May 11, 2011 01:42PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
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mike5998

start with eyes of the dragon. it's a good story, and it's very strange and non-kingy. it will ease you into the first gunslinger book nicely. i highly recommend the gunslinger series. i really liked it.

what are the titles of buk's short story collections? i like short stories.

Recommendation duly noted. This gunslinger stuff seems very interesting indeed.

As for short story collections by good old Mr Bukowski the only one I actually own is called Tales Of Ordinary Madness (which I'd recommend as a place to start) but I've also read The Most Beautiful Woman in Town which I borrowed from a friend. I'm sure there are others but unfortunately their names escape me.
May 11, 2011 01:51PM | Re: Wha Choo Readin?
Bukowski short story chapbooks and collections

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Confessions of a Man Insane Enough to Live with Beasts (1965)
All the Assholes in the World and Mine (1966)
Notes of a Dirty Old Man (1969)
Erections, Ejaculations, Exhibitions, and General Tales of Ordinary Madness (1972)
South of No North (1973)
Hot Water Music (1983)
Tales of Ordinary Madness (1983)
The Most Beautiful Woman in Town (1983)
Portions from a Wine-stained Notebook: Short Stories and Essays (2008)
Absence of the Hero (2010)



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