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ETA: In short, everything happens for a reason!

nice post there, mtn. girl.

and while i believe that everything happens, i've still yet to be convinced, by myself or otherwise, that there is a reason.

guess it doesn't matter.

everything happens.

shit happens.

does that logically make everything shit?

possibly.

but then, anything's possible.

anything, mind you. not everything.

so if everything is shit, that means that shit is not possible.

hm.

it's possible that shit happens.

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This life makes us do shit against our will and better judgement the older we get.

truth. nice post cronic. good to see you back.

I think a good question might be why you feel you dont have any choices in life?

i don't think it's a lack of choice, but i think the choices we have can be so tough, that we do shit despite our will and better judgment. i am a firm believer in free will, but there is a relativism to it that i don't think i can avoid recognizing.

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This life makes us do shit against our will and better judgement the older we get.

truth. nice post cronic. good to see you back.

I think a good question might be why you feel you dont have any choices in life?

i read somewhere that people are allowed to feel what they feel.

i'm not sure who it is allowing them though.

Hey, I wasnt condeming anyone for the way they feel! At all. Period.

I was genuinely and pure heartedly wondering what it was that made them feel that way.

Thats all.

They can choose to answer or not.

Its all about choices!

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This life makes us do shit against our will and better judgement the older we get.

truth. nice post cronic. good to see you back.

I think a good question might be why you feel you dont have any choices in life?

i don't think it's a lack of choice, but i think the choices we have can be so tough, that we do shit despite our will and better judgment. i am a firm believer in free will, but there is a relativism to it that i don't think i can avoid recognizing.

Thanx WC!

I want to respond so badly but what I have to say will far exceed my patience in tryibg to type it on this phone!

I wil get back with you this evening!

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ETA: In short, everything happens for a reason!

nice post there, mtn. girl.

and while i believe that everything happens, i've still yet to be convinced, by myself or otherwise, that there is a reason.

guess it doesn't matter.

everything happens.

shit happens.

does that logically make everything shit?

possibly.

but then, anything's possible.

anything, mind you. not everything.

so if everything is shit, that means that shit is not possible.

hm.

it's possible that shit happens.

I used to believe only people who believed they can be hyp-motizef could be. But then my husband said he read in his physchology book that wasnt true.

I guess if you dont believe theres a reason, then there isnt one.

The fat faced peony only shows itself to isis (if I remembered that quote correctly).

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hyp-motizef

you made this word up?

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hyp-motizef

you made this word up?

My phone did!! Blasted phone!

That word should have been hypnotized.

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that's a bitchin word. now i know where future band names will come from. spell checked phone texts.

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This life makes us do shit against our will and better judgement the older we get.

truth. nice post cronic. good to see you back.

I think a good question might be why you feel you dont have any choices in life?

i don't think it's a lack of choice, but i think the choices we have can be so tough, that we do shit despite our will and better judgment. i am a firm believer in free will, but there is a relativism to it that i don't think i can avoid recognizing.

Tough! Yes! Tough indeed!

That's why it takes really super duper shitty things to help you make those tough decisions. Otherwise you choose not to make the tough ones and stick to things that go against your better judgement and/or will.

The wayz I seez it, it's like this.

If you think that earning a living (for example) the way you do is more important than not earning a living the way you do, then you should practice being content with that decision.

But you have a choice there. You could choose not to be, say, a lawyer and instead move into a much cheaper form of housing, in a neighborhood that's less expensive, and spend the rest of your days working at a job that pays less money like at a roller coaster or something (I say that cuz I actually left a great paying outside sales job that sucked royal ass back when I was 18 years old to go work at the rollercoaster at Mission Beach) BUT all of this may allow you to spend more free time writing the best and most perfect novel ever! Yes, you may have to give up loads of luxuries like shows and entertainment but that's where you have to ask yourself what's more important? If having the ability to afford such luxuries faaaar outweighs the suckiness of what ever it is you do for a living, then you have to accept the fact that YOU are making the decision to stay as is and practice being content with that decision.

Another example is the concept of being 'successful'. A person may be so focused on obtaining a great title within their chosen career that they make themselves absolutely miserable trying to be perceived as being as successful as they want people to think they are. But it could happen, at one point, that person might look around and say, hey, ya know what? I really don't care if I end up being the executive vice president in charge of operations of whatever company and decide that maybe all they really want is to be able to live somewhere awesome and peaceful and they could do that simply by being a coconut farmer!

That's what the people at my old job were like. All about their "status" and how cool they were. Ridiculous. Hey tell ya what, you can have whatever bullshit title I had and I'll be over here with no title but really super happy. Kthnxbye.

It's harder with kids, imo. You want to make sure you are giving your kids everything they need. But sometimes the lines get blurred between what they need and what they simply want. My daughter wants everything all the time. Thankfully she knows she's not really getting it most of the time. The only thing I don't really mess around with when it comes to my daughter is her education. Otherwise, she gets awesome birthday and christmas presents. Occasionally little things for good report cards. Sometimes candy just off the cuff. But that's it. And she's super awesome happy. She knows the difference between want and need. And thankfully so do her parents.

Now I'm certain I've talked too much and most likely have unwillingly offended someone. And I totally and completely expect to hear, "That all sounds very nice but it's not that easy". But we established that. Not easy. Tough.

It took a lot for me to realize that my time was more important than money. That spending all the time in the world making all the money in the world, in the end, couldn't buy me back the time I missed with my family while I was making it. But that's my priority. I don't think EVERYONE should have the same priority. I just think it might be nice if people were happy with what ever they set their priorities at.

I'll quit now.

Sorry if I offended.

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Tough! Yes! Tough indeed!

That's why it takes really super duper shitty things to help you make those tough decisions. Otherwise you choose not to make the tough ones and stick to things that go against your better judgement and/or will.

these days i just flip a coin and mutter "not my fault" under my breath a lot.

Mtn. Girl! I have never seen anyone besides me preach about this before! I am so happy!

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This life makes us do shit against our will and better judgement the older we get.

truth. nice post cronic. good to see you back.

Cheers Wild Creature, ive been lurking but my posts of late would be a bit dark so I have kept to myself.

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also, seriously...fuck zoop the goat.

cronic needs some fuckin TEETH.

Doesnt matter which way im facing you can kick a field goal.

Have you had anymore loud fart moments at work mike? I need to hear more about these events so I can show my toothy grin.

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This life makes us do shit against our will and better judgement the older we get.

truth. nice post cronic. good to see you back.

I think a good question might be why you feel you dont have any choices in life?

Best example I can give is this: My parents split due to the fact that they slept around with other people and eventually got caught out, in my opion they cared more about sex than keeping a happy home for the kids. I promised myself that when I had kids I would not walk out on them no matter what, nor would I give my partner any reason to leave.

Fast forward 33 years and I now have 3 kids of my own and a relationship of 16 years that should have ended 15 years ago. It has come to a point were I can no longer continue and that is were the no choice problem begins.

Option 1: Leave my kids to escape the relationship that has killed me off as a functioning person.
Option 2: Stay in the relationship until you guys are reading about me on the news one day.

My first rule has always been to stand by my kids but now I have break the rule befor it breaks me.

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This life makes us do shit against our will and better judgement the older we get.

truth. nice post cronic. good to see you back.

I think a good question might be why you feel you dont have any choices in life?

i don't think it's a lack of choice, but i think the choices we have can be so tough, that we do shit despite our will and better judgment. i am a firm believer in free will, but there is a relativism to it that i don't think i can avoid recognizing.

Tough! Yes! Tough indeed!

That's why it takes really super duper shitty things to help you make those tough decisions. Otherwise you choose not to make the tough ones and stick to things that go against your better judgement and/or will.

The wayz I seez it, it's like this.

If you think that earning a living (for example) the way you do is more important than not earning a living the way you do, then you should practice being content with that decision.

But you have a choice there. You could choose not to be, say, a lawyer and instead move into a much cheaper form of housing, in a neighborhood that's less expensive, and spend the rest of your days working at a job that pays less money like at a roller coaster or something (I say that cuz I actually left a great paying outside sales job that sucked royal ass back when I was 18 years old to go work at the rollercoaster at Mission Beach) BUT all of this may allow you to spend more free time writing the best and most perfect novel ever! Yes, you may have to give up loads of luxuries like shows and entertainment but that's where you have to ask yourself what's more important? If having the ability to afford such luxuries faaaar outweighs the suckiness of what ever it is you do for a living, then you have to accept the fact that YOU are making the decision to stay as is and practice being content with that decision.

Another example is the concept of being 'successful'. A person may be so focused on obtaining a great title within their chosen career that they make themselves absolutely miserable trying to be perceived as being as successful as they want people to think they are. But it could happen, at one point, that person might look around and say, hey, ya know what? I really don't care if I end up being the executive vice president in charge of operations of whatever company and decide that maybe all they really want is to be able to live somewhere awesome and peaceful and they could do that simply by being a coconut farmer!

That's what the people at my old job were like. All about their "status" and how cool they were. Ridiculous. Hey tell ya what, you can have whatever bullshit title I had and I'll be over here with no title but really super happy. Kthnxbye.

It's harder with kids, imo. You want to make sure you are giving your kids everything they need. But sometimes the lines get blurred between what they need and what they simply want. My daughter wants everything all the time. Thankfully she knows she's not really getting it most of the time. The only thing I don't really mess around with when it comes to my daughter is her education. Otherwise, she gets awesome birthday and christmas presents. Occasionally little things for good report cards. Sometimes candy just off the cuff. But that's it. And she's super awesome happy. She knows the difference between want and need. And thankfully so do her parents.

Now I'm certain I've talked too much and most likely have unwillingly offended someone. And I totally and completely expect to hear, "That all sounds very nice but it's not that easy". But we established that. Not easy. Tough.

It took a lot for me to realize that my time was more important than money. That spending all the time in the world making all the money in the world, in the end, couldn't buy me back the time I missed with my family while I was making it. But that's my priority. I don't think EVERYONE should have the same priority. I just think it might be nice if people were happy with what ever they set their priorities at.

I'll quit now.

Sorry if I offended.

You are right in what you say Mtn. Girl about setting goals for lifestlye and status to high, it was my problem for a long time and can cause anxiety levels that arent much fun. The new problem I have which I believe the same problem Mike is experiencing involves coming terms with the what now?

After we come to terms with what we can afford, how short life is and were we end up for those last few years before death the question arrises " Is this it?"

On another topic I was a big beliver in " what doesnt kill you makes you stronger" I found out that isnt always true. It might make you less inclinded to make stupid decisions but thats about it.

you can't hold yourself to ancient promises. you promise things to yourself as a child, but that child is dead now. you don't have to stand by its corpse. you're alive with legs that can run.

i don't think kids get fucked up by divorce. i think they get fucked up because they think they have a reason to have problems because of divorce. you, me, us...we're the problem. not our parents, who were kids, children that are also long dead and gone that got married and got a divorce. they're not us. they're problems are not ours. we have our own.

happy parents are the best parents. not together unhappy parents. if you were a kid, knowing all you know now....which would you rather have?

what happens now?

now is right now and now and now.

i think you're talking about, what happens next.

i had patience, and waited to see what came next after now.

but it was still now.

and now it's now.

and so i stopped waiting and i got back to it.

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you can't hold yourself to ancient promises. you promise things to yourself as a child, but that child is dead now. you don't have to stand by its corpse. you're alive with legs that can run.

i don't think kids get fucked up by divorce. i think they get fucked up because they think they have a reason to have problems because of divorce. you, me, us...we're the problem. not our parents, who were kids, children that are also long dead and gone that got married and got a divorce. they're not us. they're problems are not ours. we have our own.

happy parents are the best parents. not together unhappy parents. if you were a kid, knowing all you know now....which would you rather have?

Doubled.

I guess it's not my business, but there's more than one way to stand by your kids. My mum left, and it was some time before she found somewhere big enough us to stay too - it meant cassettes of her singing us to sleep and weekend on futons in bedsits and I couldn't want anything more than what she gave and gives us.
My dad is married, but his answer to every question his 6 year old son tries to ask is "Not now" or "I'm busy".

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well, the first step in finding meaning in life is deciding whether you believe you have free will or not. and since knowing that for sure is impossible, you'll probably just give up and look for happiness wherever you can, perhaps by watching It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

Quantum indeterminacy, yo.

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you can't hold yourself to ancient promises. you promise things to yourself as a child, but that child is dead now. you don't have to stand by its corpse. you're alive with legs that can run.

i don't think kids get fucked up by divorce. i think they get fucked up because they think they have a reason to have problems because of divorce. you, me, us...we're the problem. not our parents, who were kids, children that are also long dead and gone that got married and got a divorce. they're not us. they're problems are not ours. we have our own.

happy parents are the best parents. not together unhappy parents. if you were a kid, knowing all you know now....which would you rather have?

In most divorces/break ups I totally agree with you Mike, im not sure how it is in other countries but Australia has improved a lot in regards to the courts handling of kids. They used to set you up with a child shrink who would report to the court, now the kids have there own legal advice who puts the kids concerns over the parents. Its not perfect but a big improvement from the old system.

I guess it comes down to how the break up is handled and the following years, In my family the final stages started with my mother smacking my old man over the head with a steel pole while he was asleep. When the old boy recovered they let us kids decide who we lived with and then the old cheese left xmas eve 1980 with my two brothers. The old boy done his best and them some to raise me until he made the mistake of marrying a full blown drunk in 1986.

There has been plenty of times in my relationship that ive nearly called it a day for reasons that would knock you flat but i stick it out, the though of weekend access, family law court & some scum bag step dad raising my kids has kept me here. lately i'm left with the question -Q: can it get bad enough to walk out? A: It appears so

My apologies for boring you with my life experiences to support the rubbish I write.

nah, you're cool bub. forgot you were in australia.

i think stairway remains the same though.

"you've still got time to change the road you're on"



in the end, everybody does exactly what they want to do.

that's either correct, or my opinion.

no apologies necessary people!

unless you're being DOUCHEY!

this is the whole wide world.

this is where people post things, whatever they want things.

because there's nothing that's not in the whole wide world.

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well, the first step in finding meaning in life is deciding whether you believe you have free will or not. and since knowing that for sure is impossible, you'll probably just give up and look for happiness wherever you can, perhaps by watching It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

i think the first step is wanting to find the meaning of life.

right after It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia.