This proposition will allow adults in California over 21 years old to possess up to one ounce of marijuana.
So, is anyone voting yes on it? What are your thoughts about it?

If Rainey lived in California she'd be voting yes.

I think it's going to be a tough thing to pass. It's not nearly as loaded as prop 8 was, but I could see it going the same sort of way.

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Very passionately against Prop 19. It is a bridge too far, and will almost certainly result in the feds taking measures to repeal it, and because constitutionally the feds have the better position, the result will likely end up undoing the medical marijuana laws that currently exist. if you care about protecting medical marijuana as it exists in California today, you have to vote against Prop 19.

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The hope, however, is that the Feds will stop being dowshebags and legalize it so that we can actually pay off some fucking debt.

I know, pipe dream, but things have at least been trending closer towards that being a reality than previously.

ETA: Also, the age limit helps their case. It's not like they're all willy nilly letting EVERYONE carry it. It gets the same status as booze, rightfully so.

EDIT 2: STFU Alex. You're lucky Glassy doesn't sound as obnoxious as Rainey or Blacky.



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I prefer glassy, or glazzybear as some friends from college called me.

who's ever called blackliner blacky?

I like shlacky, rainey, nally, jotsy, but I never thought to do blacky.

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You totally had me going there, Blackie. Well played.

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yeah whatever blackie..

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@blacky:i know missy's cred, and i respect that

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Blacky, how is it that you ALWAYS have the answer to these questions?

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does this mean you guys are gonna start calling me kayt.... oh wait.

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Very passionately against Prop 19. It is a bridge too far, and will almost certainly result in the feds taking measures to repeal it, and because constitutionally the feds have the better position, the result will likely end up undoing the medical marijuana laws that currently exist. if you care about protecting medical marijuana as it exists in California today, you have to vote against Prop 19.

So you think the feds would come in and repeal Prop 19 and the medical marijuana laws? I'm not really sure that would happen. I'm kind of hoping it will pass so other states consider legalizing marijuana. Besides, the feds don't care about the medical marijuana laws, they still raid dispensaries. That's why we must try everything we can to show the feds that it's an adult's right to choose whether or not they want to use marijuana, just like with alcohol.

Thunderbird, I think what WC is saying is that (and I agree with this,) were Prop 19 to pass, it would almost certainly be challenged by the Federal Govt. He believes, again, I think not unreasonably, that the challenge made by the Federal government would additionally invalidate any medicinal marijuana laws that they are currently turning a (somewhat) blind eye to.

I'm not from California and I'm not going to get all Mormon on them, but this article reminded me of this thread.

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I'm not from California and I'm not going to get all Mormon on them, but this article reminded me of this thread.

Thanks for the link. I also saw that on Grasscity. Well I was just excited cause it seemed like a step towards ending the War on Drugs, but I see now. Maybe we'll have a better chance for legalization in 2012.



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WC might be right, but I'd like to at least hope that Obama would help states rights gain a victory and make this change possible. Prohibiton was repealed, above all other reasons, to increase revenue so if this passes in California I wouldn't doubt it passes for the same reason. I hate that it's for 21 and ^ though. I guess you gotta let the neocons have their small victories if you're going to accomplish anything.

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WC might be right, but I'd like to at least hope that Obama would help states rights gain a victory and make this change possible. Prohibiton was repealed, above all other reasons, to increase revenue so if this passes in California I wouldn't doubt it passes for the same reason. I hate that it's for 21 and ^ though. I guess you gotta let the neocons have their small victories if you're going to accomplish anything.

I think the age limit is important, and I am a fairly regular smoker (except when I'm trying to get a job, like now). Age limits on substances exist because of brain development, not just because "neocons" don't want younguns to have any fun. While tons of people won't pay attention to the reasoning behind that (consider all the drunkards and potheads who start out in high school regardless of legality), there is still a reason it's there, and I support that. Pardon my old lady perspective (as if, I'm only 22), but kids seriously don't think about the consequences enough and it makes me sad. I waited till I was 20 to drink and smoke pot, and I'm glad I did. I know too many teenage stoners who are burnouts now because they've been smoking since they were like 16 or 17. Also, as I have learned now that I've graduated college, you really DO become a lot more responsible as you get older. While you may consider yourself an exception and may be more mature than your classmates, KC, trust me. There are plenty of college freshmen and sophomores who are complete IDIOTS and irresponsible. People don't really start to grow up till junior or senior year of college when real life looms nearer and nearer.



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I spend a fair bit of time on reddit, which is fond of this topic, so here's another article and then I'm done:

[blog.norml.org]

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tons of people won't pay attention to the reasoning behind that (consider all the drunkards and potheads who start out in high school regardless of legality), there is still a reason it's there, and I support that. Pardon my old lady perspective (as if, I'm only 22), but kids seriously don't think about the consequences enough and it makes me sad. I waited till I was 20 to drink and smoke pot, and I'm glad I did. I know too many teenage stoners who are burnouts now because they've been smoking since they were like 16 or 17. Also, as I have learned now that I've graduated college, you really DO become a lot more responsible as you get older. While you may consider yourself an exception and may be more mature than your classmates, KC, trust me. There are plenty of college freshmen and sophomores who are complete IDIOTS and irresponsible. People don't really start to grow up till junior or senior year of college when real life looms nearer and nearer.

Well I don't smoke, nor would I ever smoke, but I think as an adult one should have the right to make stupid decisions when those decisions don't infinge infringe on the rights of others (the right to swing my fist ends at my neighbors nose, etc). Like that's the time when the government ought to tun you lose and treat you as an adult and the function ofthe government become more to protect others from your stupidity than yourself. I don't even really consider the effects, but I guess that's typical of us idealistic young folks.

ETA: I really don't have anything against neocons, I share some of their political beliefs, just find the strict control aspects of their politics contradictary with their are so "anything goes" and persnal responsibility when it comes to economics. To paraphrase someone whose name escapes me, it's silly to defend traditional values and free market capitalism when the effects of pure capitalism is so profoundly anti traditional.



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Haha Suz posted this Softer World on Facebook and I felt it was appropriate re: what I was saying earlier, hah.


ETA: KC, I think you may have misunderstood my use of quotations with "neocons" haha, since you're saying you have nothing against neocons as if I was offended as if I were one. I used quotations because neocons aren't the only people who think that age limits are important and I found it mildly offensive in THAT way that I could be grouped with a neocon (which I am most certainly not) simply for caring about peoples' brains. Haha.



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Ha that's fine. Also I know folks have mixed feelings in politics, but that was a smart ass remark on my part in the first place, so that little disclaimer was due regardless.

I'm just pointing this out, but legalizing marijuana would hopefully make it harder for children to get a hold of.

That would be sick. Kids have enough problems without an expensive hobby like that.

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I'm just pointing this out, but legalizing marijuana would hopefully make it harder for children to get a hold of.

Some more explanation would be helpful here. Define "children" please?

Also, not really all that true if you are talking teens and not CHILDREN children, because it's just like booze and cigarettes--"hey, older sibling" or "hey older friend wanna do me a favor?" etc

Well, I guess my definition for children is anyone under 18. And I never said it was impossible for children to get booze and cigarettes, I'm just saying it would be a lot harder for them.

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Well, I guess my definition for children is anyone under 18. And I never said it was impossible for children to get booze and cigarettes, I'm just saying it would be a lot harder for them.

Yeah but I guess I'd still like some more reasoning as to why you think this is? I mean, right now it's completely illegal. How does it being completely illegal make it easier for those under 18 to access it than if it were legal but only for those who are older than them?

Well, if you've got a hook-up, you can get as much drugs as you want at any time/age, since they don't check for ID's.

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Well, if you've got a hook-up, you can get as much drugs as you want at any time/age, since they don't check for ID's.

Yeah, but if you've got an older friend, they can do it too. Usually hookups are older anyway, from my experience. And think about the kids who DON'T have hookups. If weed is legalized, that instantly makes it SO much easier. A lot of kids are afraid to dig around for hookups if they don't know anyone (I was for a very long time). Also consider non-urban areas. You don't get a lot of big dealers outside of the city. If weed were legalized you could buy it probably in a corner shop like cigs or booze. If it's treated exactly like booze, you might have to drive 30 minutes if you're in a "dry" area, but there's not the sense of "I'm driving somewhere where I don't know anyone to find some sketchy person to hopefully give me pot that isn't lacced with something."

I'm obv playing devil's advocate here because I'd love for weed to be legalized. But just saying. The logic seems faulty to me.

I'm not sure how else I can explain it, so I've provided some links about it:
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