4AD.com lists different tracklists for the LP and CD versions (Philippians moves from 8 on LP to 4 on CD), but the LP track order I hear is the same as the leak. Assuming 1 John 4:16 opens with "In the holding tank I built for myself..." the LP tracklist is wrong.

CAD2932 (1)
1. 1 Samuel 15:23
2. Psalms 40:2
3. Genesis 3:23
4. Hebrews 11:40
5. Genesis 30:3
6. Romans 10:9
7. 1 John 4:16
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1. Philippians 3:20-21
2. Matthew 25:21
3. Deuteronomy 2:10
4. Isaiah 45:23
5. Ezekiel 7 And The Permanent Efficacy Of Grace

CAD2932CD
1. 1 Samuel 15:23
2. Psalms 40:2
3. Genesis 3:23
4. Philippians 3:20-21
5. Hebrews 11:40
6. Genesis 30:3
7. Romans 10:9
8. 1 John 4:16
9. Matthew 25:21
10. Deuteronomy 2:10
11. Isaiah 45:23
12. Ezekiel 7 And The Permanent Efficacy Of Grace

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A lot of times vinyl track lists are rearranged because they have to fit nicely on the discs. So if there's a long track that won't quite fit on a disc, but there's still space for some track, they may swap them to make everything fit nicely.

As this is a 33rpm 2LP that runs about 46 minutes, that isn't the issue. The track that's listed on the vinyl as Philippians starts "In the holding tank I built for myself...", so every track from 4 to 8 is mislabeled.

That might be good enough for Cash Nexus, but it's going to make requesting even more difficult, not to mention matching two different bible verses to a third of the songs on album.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/06/2009 05:22AM by Johnp.

Tracklistings get rearranged on different formats all the time - John and co. may have decided a certain song goes better at the end or beginning of a side. This is all speculation though.

Johnp Wrote:
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> As this is a 33rpm 2LP that runs about 46 minutes,
> that isn't the issue. The track that's listed on
> the vinyl as Philippians starts "In the holding
> tank I built for myself...", so every track from 4
> to 8 is mislabeled.
>
> That might be good enough for Cash Nexus, but it's
> going to make requesting even more difficult, not
> to mention matching two different bible verses to
> a third of the songs on album.

I haven't gotten my vinyl copy yet, but it is my understanding that they play at 45RPM. Or 46 on my record player.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/07/2009 03:40PM by jaynova.

It is indeed a 45 RPM record.

The track listing I have for the purple vinyl is as listed. Disc one flips between Genesis 3:23 and Hebrews 11:40, Disc 2 flips between Deuteronomy 2:10 and Isaiah 45:23.

This seems to be a correct track listing, it hit me after an initial listen that the sequencing was perfect.

"The track that's listed on the vinyl as Philippians starts "In the holding tank I built for myself...", so every track from 4 to 8 is mislabeled. "

This is not the case, at least not on the purple vinyl - the track listed on the vinyl that starts with that line is John 4:16.

The UK version (black vinyl) I have plays at 33 1/3 rpm. The US version (purple vinyl) plays at 45 rpm. The tracks appear to be the same order.

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Wild Creature Wrote:
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> The UK version (black vinyl) I have plays at 33
> 1/3 rpm. The US version (purple vinyl) plays at
> 45 rpm. The tracks appear to be the same order.

Cheers, WC. I'm wondering how rare these mispressings are. Fewer than 777?! I've already sent one to a collector in the US.

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Mine seems to be a misprint too.

why is the purple 45rpms? that doesn't make any sense.

i think.

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45rpm makes for better sound quality. Didn't realize the rest were 33 1/3, though.

Johnp Wrote:
> Cheers, WC. I'm wondering how rare these
> mispressings are. Fewer than 777?! I've already
> sent one to a collector in the US.

I don't think it's a mispressing - the purple vinyl I know has two discs. Does the black have one? If so, it'd make sense that the black was 33 1/3 - the 33 1/3 pressing would require less physical disc space for the same amount of music and thus would fit on one disc instead of 2 of the special edition.

also, this means that the special edition is a better-quality release. awww yeah.

-edit-

the 4ad website indicates that the regular ol' vinyl is a single 12", confirming my suspicions.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/15/2009 04:48PM by josiah.

josiah Wrote:
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it'd make sense that the black was 33
> 1/3 - the 33 1/3 pressing would require less
> physical disc space for the same amount of music
> and thus would fit on one disc instead of 2 of the
> special edition.

i still don't get it. isn't 45rmp faster than 33? yes, yes it is.

so it would NEED to have 2 records to fit all the songs. because the songs would go faster, but take up more space on the record, yes? yes. i think so.

whereas, the 33 rotates slower, meaning you don't need to spread the songs out over 2 discs.

i need proof that 45rpm makes for better quality.

and i'm so, so too bored and lazy to google it, so somebody better damn well do this for me!

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josiah Wrote:

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> the 4ad website indicates that the regular ol'
> vinyl is a single 12", confirming my suspicions.


the black vinyl i have (UK) is 2 LPs, at 33 1/3 rpm.

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mike3000 Wrote:
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>
> i still don't get it. isn't 45rmp faster than 33?
> yes, yes it is.
>
> so it would NEED to have 2 records to fit all the
> songs. because the songs would go faster, but
> take up more space on the record, yes? yes. i
> think so.
>
> whereas, the 33 rotates slower, meaning you don't
> need to spread the songs out over 2 discs.
>
> i need proof that 45rpm makes for better quality.
>
> and i'm so, so too bored and lazy to google it, so
> somebody better damn well do this for me!

Okay, so you're right about the speed. Life of the World to Come is long enough that it won't fit on a single 33 disc. However, it's also short enough that it doesn't require two 33 discs, so they can afford to expand it to two discs at 45 instead, improving the quality of the record.

The reason that 45 rpm is of higher quality is because it allows them to fit more sonic data on the disc. Think of it like this: the song is the same duration as it would be at 33 rpm. However, it spins faster to cover the greater song distance (rotationally speaking) in the same amount of time. With more space (distance-wise) to put the song in, there is more space for detail in the pressing. Think of it like a higher sample rate.

found what's up.

see, purple vinyl can't be pressed with 33 1/3 size grooves. black vinyl is softer and can be dug into wider, whereas the purple stuff in the vinyl makes the record crunchier, harder to dig grooves into it that would be wide enough see. so, but, the uh, the thingy that digs 45rpm grooves, it uh, digs in a harder, thinner fashion, and therefore uh, can get the music onto the purple goo discs with the right amount of effort whereas uh, the black groove digger type thingy can't really like, get in there right.

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shlack Wrote:
> Okay, so you're right about the speed. Life of the
> World to Come is long enough that it won't fit on
> a single 33 disc. However, it's also short enough
> that it doesn't require two 33 discs, so they can
> afford to expand it to two discs at 45 instead,
> improving the quality of the record.
>
> The reason that 45 rpm is of higher quality is
> because it allows them to fit more sonic data on
> the disc. Think of it like this: the song is the
> same duration as it would be at 33 rpm. However,
> it spins faster to cover the greater song distance
> (rotationally speaking) in the same amount of
> time. With more space (distance-wise) to put the
> song in, there is more space for detail in the
> pressing. Think of it like a higher sample rate.


that's probably right.

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Mike3000 wrote:
Okay, so you're right about the speed. Life of the World to Come is long enough that it won't fit on a single 33 disc. However, it's also short enough that it doesn't require two 33 discs, so they can afford to expand it to two discs at 45 instead, improving the quality of the record.

The reason that 45 rpm is of higher quality is because it allows them to fit more sonic data on the disc. Think of it like this: the song is the same duration as it would be at 33 rpm. However, it spins faster to cover the greater song distance (rotationally speaking) in the same amount of time. With more space (distance-wise) to put the song in, there is more space for detail in the pressing. Think of it like a higher sample rate.
/mike3000

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Wait, weshallallbe, what did you fix? I don't see any difference.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/16/2009 02:37AM by shlack.

Difference is you wrote it, not mike?

yeah...it was a bad attempt at humor. Sorry. Schlack is 100% correct on the differences.

weshallallbe Wrote:
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> Schlack is 100% correct on the differences.

That much I do know, after a c&p into Word!

man, my explanation was pretty far off.

really.

if 45rpm grooves were different from 33 1/3 grooves, we'd need a separate needle for each type of record!

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