I need research help OK, in some point in time I knew everything there was to know about tMG. I knew names, dates, times.. I had setlists memorized. I've done a lot of drugs since my tMG fandom was at it's highest peak. Things have been forgotten, and google is a motherfucker for the really obscure stuff. Anyhow. I'm working on a retrospective piece for Sad Young Cardinals titled [i]The Slow and Necessary Evolution of John Darnielle[/i]. What I need to know is as much stuff about some of the members as possible. A comprehensive list of Bright Mountain Choir and Rachel Ware appearances are what I'm looking for at the exact moment. I also need dates of the early releases (as close to exact as possible). I'm trying to get as close to chronological order as possible. Thank you! http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132083#msg-132083 Fri, 24 May 2013 19:45:36 -0700 Phorum 5.2.18 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132357#msg-132357 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132357#msg-132357 betamax Mountain Goats Wed, 02 May 2012 10:53:28 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132356#msg-132356 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132356#msg-132356
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No new word on Growing Up With You, though perhaps I ought to email Carlos and see how he & Liz are doing.

Carlos and Liz are still working on the book. It's definitely very much alive. They're still interviewing people and collecting material. They've decided against a rigid timeline. They want to do it right rather than hurrying just to meet some deadline. Rest assured betamax, you'll hear about it here when it's ready!]]> Caliclimber Mountain Goats Wed, 02 May 2012 10:39:36 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132354#msg-132354 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132354#msg-132354 SaveMeASeat Mountain Goats Wed, 02 May 2012 09:55:50 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132352#msg-132352 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132352#msg-132352
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hey, shlack, while you're here... any word from those you know about the 'Growing Up with You' book?

Ironically I was not here for a while. I was out for a few days because my computer broke! And when I returned, cassette reissues!?

No new word on Growing Up With You, though perhaps I ought to email Carlos and see how he & Liz are doing.

I did note that in some of the press material for the cassette re-releases, there's this quote by JD, perhaps tacitly against such ordering as we're attempting to do here:

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The songs you find on this compact disc originally appeared on two cassettes. To elaborate further about that—to say, for example, that the songs originally appeared 'on two cassettes that were released in ____ and ____'—would misrepresent the spirit of their time. These tapes did not have release dates. No one anticipated their coming into the world, and very few noticed or cared. All previous eras cross at some point into the territory of the unimaginable, and so it is with the days of tape-trading. The obscurity in which these songs were incubated and born and brought into their faint light is a state of being which has passed into history.

I'll admit to taking a bit of umbrage at the "very few noticed or cared" comment--certainly at the time he was much lower profile than he is now, but the statement seems to imply that if you didn't care in 93 your caring now is less valid. I guess what I'm saying is that for someone who is as vocally anti-nostalgia as JD, the above statement seems to wax rather nostalgic.

Sorry to be negative about this...]]> shlack Mountain Goats Wed, 02 May 2012 09:32:28 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132251#msg-132251 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132251#msg-132251
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i've never got a chance to see mountain goats live (i'm from italy)

There is no god.

Ha ha, not that I know. The only chance I've got is to officially invite John Darnielle to spend his summer vacation here and force him to embrace a guitar and play some tunes for my family and me

did somebody say kickstarter project? $200+ prize = ticket to zoop 3 in Italy.]]> Wild Creature Mountain Goats Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:37:35 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132244#msg-132244 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132244#msg-132244 betamax Mountain Goats Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:58:59 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132240#msg-132240 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132240#msg-132240
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i've never got a chance to see mountain goats live (i'm from italy)

There is no god.

Ha ha, not that I know. The only chance I've got is to officially invite John Darnielle to spend his summer vacation here and force him to embrace a guitar and play some tunes for my family and me]]> underwaternow Mountain Goats Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:25:21 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132229#msg-132229 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132229#msg-132229
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i've never got a chance to see mountain goats live (i'm from italy)

There is no god.]]> Johnp Mountain Goats Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:51:18 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132221#msg-132221 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132221#msg-132221
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Luigi, if I ever can't remember how many albums Good Horsey/Mark put out your site is my first stop. Thanks so much for your work.

Mark Szabo, I wonder if he still treads the boards.]]> underwaternow Mountain Goats Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:22:31 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132220#msg-132220 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132220#msg-132220 "HOT GARDEN STOMP
Songs for grandchildren ages 9 - up"]]> Mr Glass Mountain Goats Sun, 29 Apr 2012 07:58:43 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132216#msg-132216 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132216#msg-132216
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A Thread with 100% GODS in it.

Props to all the actual history people coming out of the woodwork on this one]]> shlack Mountain Goats Sat, 28 Apr 2012 23:05:02 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132215#msg-132215 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132215#msg-132215 shlack Mountain Goats Sat, 28 Apr 2012 23:04:11 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132205#msg-132205 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132205#msg-132205
www.themountaingoats.net has certainly been a great inspiration...

and the inland empire mailing list... i used to be subscribed to it but then i changed email address and i've never been able to find if it is still working or not

i'm a member of this forum and have been a member of older mountain goats forums... but i'm not an active member...

i rather spend my time listening to old shrimper tapes in my room as i work at my resurrected record label... almost halloween time records... or as i drive through the streets of my town.

i've never got a chance to see mountain goats live (i'm from italy) and that's why i started collecting live shows...

it is nice to read posts of this forum and it's great to find some friends here... let me send a big hello and thank you to rik...]]> underwaternow Mountain Goats Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:49:10 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132204#msg-132204 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132204#msg-132204 Wild Creature Mountain Goats Sat, 28 Apr 2012 09:27:52 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132202#msg-132202 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132202#msg-132202 rikalbatros Mountain Goats Sat, 28 Apr 2012 05:50:04 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132200#msg-132200 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132200#msg-132200
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it says 92 here, but this guy may be a maniac, so who knows.
[www.underwaternow.com]


Ha ha ha. Wild Creature, you've made me laugh and you're right I'm a mountain goats maniac and it's chronic. It all started years ago when I first listened to the "Window Song" on the Abridged Perversion compilation. It forced me to order copies of The Hound Chronicle and Hot Garden Stomp. And it has obliged me to write Oska Records and get a copy of Yam, The King Of Crops and it is still going on. What was it? 1996, that it started?]]> underwaternow Mountain Goats Sat, 28 Apr 2012 03:01:01 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132170#msg-132170 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132170#msg-132170
The "(c)1992" on TVI looks like it's in Dennis' handwriting.]]> Johnp Mountain Goats Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:05:08 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132169#msg-132169 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132169#msg-132169
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Did Mike Woj and Luigi trade tapes in the past?

Indeed they did. Luigi is also a good friend of mr albatros.

Luigi also just put out the new Bugskull LP: [www.underwaternow.com]]]> Johnp Mountain Goats Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:55:18 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132167#msg-132167 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132167#msg-132167 shlack Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 22:04:57 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132166#msg-132166 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132166#msg-132166
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Oh also, asterisked stuff has credited appearances to the Bright Mtn Choir.

I assume Tim just left them in when he copied/pasted shlack's post.

ah, right.]]> Wild Creature Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:24:01 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132165#msg-132165 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132165#msg-132165
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Oh also, asterisked stuff has credited appearances to the Bright Mtn Choir.

I assume Tim just left them in when he copied/pasted shlack's post.]]> Remy Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:15:53 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132164#msg-132164 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132164#msg-132164
(but, what do the asteriks mean?)]]> Wild Creature Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:16:32 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132163#msg-132163 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132163#msg-132163
So here's what we've got:
1992
-Taboo VI* -- I first stocked this in May '92, but may have originally come out in '91. (I believe that May '92 was the first time I had dealt with Shrimper catalog)
-Hound Chronicles* -- first stocked August '92
-Songs for Petronius* -- first stocked January '93
1993
-Transmissions to Horace (?) [I'm leaning toward this one] -- first stocked July '93
-Chile de Arbol* -- I put this out, so I know the release date was 6/28/93
-Hot Garden Stomp* -- first stocked October '93
-Philyra* (Cusp of 94?) -- first stocked Feb. '94
1994
-Things Get Confusing
In some order:
-Beautiful Rat Sunset* (I suspect this is early b/c it was recorded Summer 93 but vinyl manufacturing takes a while) -- first stocked Feb. '94
Why You All? (I have no idea) -- first stocked July '94]]> Tim Adams Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:36:24 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132157#msg-132157 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132157#msg-132157
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Did Mike Woj and Luigi trade tapes in the past?

Indeed they did. Luigi is also a good friend of mr albatros.]]> Caliclimber Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:55:33 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132155#msg-132155 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132155#msg-132155 Mr Glass Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 09:37:40 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132152#msg-132152 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132152#msg-132152
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it says 92 here, but this guy may be a maniac, so who knows.
[www.underwaternow.com]

Luigi isn't a maniac. He just gives new meaning to the word obsessed.]]> Caliclimber Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:41:44 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132151#msg-132151 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132151#msg-132151 [www.underwaternow.com]]]> Wild Creature Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:24:28 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132150#msg-132150 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132150#msg-132150 ref). But even on this site it says 91. It's confusing.

Might be best to get ahold of Tim Adams if you're really needing this info to ask a few q's. Maybe Johnp can help too?]]> Mr Glass Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:06:31 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132143#msg-132143 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132143#msg-132143
Also when I'm talking about the Bright Mtn. Choir, I'm talking about credits only, not if they were actually singing on the tracks.

I also might be wrong about the Petronius / Hound order, but I do believe that tape dubbing was pretty damn fast. Especially if we look at Beautiful Rat Sunset as a potential example of how long the vinyl delay is. I'm willing to bet, even, that Petronius was written & recorded before Hound, I think it just came out after.

But again, this is all conjecture. I've done some research, but I'm still essentially guessing.]]> shlack Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:21:38 -0700 http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132139#msg-132139 Re: I need research help http://www.mountain-goats.com/forums/read.php?2,132083,132139#msg-132139
Okay yeah I was wrong but I don't think Bright Mountain Choir was introduced til tHC! Petronious was more the mountain goats were rachel amy and them there was no distinction between the choir, plus did they even sing on that 7" or was it just credits in name? I always assumed it went Taboo -- Petronious -- The Hound Chronicles but I don't really have any basis or proof. Well.. I mean I always overestimate the times for pressing a 7" and underestimate pressing a tape, but Hound says at latest the recording went 'til summer '92, Petronious offers no dates.]]> Mr Glass Mountain Goats Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:15:39 -0700